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pog boyfriend posted:preserve the historicity of them. i am hardpressed to see why a thread for talking about anime, or coffee, or beer, should be purged and started anew. having those threads moved over would be a strong show of good faith if the argument is to make a new forumid. I think starting with a completely blank slate would make a powerful statement about how fucked shit was and that the place needs a fundamental reboot. We need Stunde Null, a "zero hour" of complete rupture where what was is in the past and what will be is being done right now.
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 18:30 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:I think starting with a completely blank slate would make a powerful statement about how fucked shit was and that the place needs a fundamental reboot. We need Stunde Null, a "zero hour" of complete rupture where what was is in the past and what will be is being done right now. it would be a powerful statement, one that would ultimately drive off almost every returning poster. the harmless decades old threads for crews and mundane posting are a stable throughline as fyad has changed constantly over the years. keeping them while changing everything else still maintains the same powerful impact without removing any reason for any returning poster to return. if someone comes back to 6 of the most beloved threads and nothing else, they still will notice the tens of thousands of missing threads
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 18:57 |
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I think it's a bad idea int his case to cater to the old posters when in reality we should be making a new sub with new rules and if they want to participate in it they can. Like if we want an edgy type comedy forum that's cool and good but I think we're too worried about making sure the old posters are comfortable when we should be more inclined to open it up to new people because the problem was it was already full of cliques and we've seen what that does. Both then and today
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:06 |
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I'll also add that having ancient megathreads just breeds insularity. It's something I've been working in on my subs, trying to reboot big threads as often as possible. When a user sees a thread with 10k pages they just nope out as often as not. Even if the thread wants to be welcoming, by its very structure it isn't and you end up with the same dozen or so posters just having a conversation with each other rather than the forum as a whole. TFR's general bullshit chat thread is a great example. I got a LOT of pushback when I killed it and rebooted the thread monthly. This let me put in a new theme each month and gave new posters an easier entry point. And, in the 4 or 5 months since I've done that, I've seen a fucking TON of new posters in that thread. Lurkers I never knew were around. Entirely new posters who poked their heads in the sub and decided to say hi in the general chat thread, because that's the logical landing place for someone looking at a new community. By the same token the GBS OSHA thread just rebooted a while ago and I actually started following it. I'd read the old one a bit but when I saw the 1000+ pages of unread shit I just coudln't be bothered, and I always felt weird skipping to the end of it. Now that it was rebooted I'm actively following it and actively contributing. Starting an all new FYAD with all new threads will encourage new posters to come in. Maybe we lose a few of the old guard, but more importantly it won't effectively be a private subforum for a small clique of posters. We WANT new blood in FYAAD. We want it to be a growing, thriving subforum and not just a club house for the same small group of posters. I've heard the refrain that there are hardly any FYAD posters left a lot in this discussion, and this is part of how you fix that. If FYAD is that stagnant then it needs to be revitalized, otherwise why bother having it at all?
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:12 |
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I would propose a compromise of letting them remake old threads anew but with the original OP quoted as the OP. It preserves the connection to the original threads while making them more open to newcomers.
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:15 |
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Lightning Knight posted:I would propose a compromise of letting them remake old threads anew but with the original OP quoted as the OP. It preserves the connection to the original threads while making them more open to newcomers. This seems like a great compromise tbh
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:18 |
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Yeah, that sounds solid. A lot of rebooted megathreads get some link or tie to the other ones. I think the milhist megathred over in A/T has something like 3 or 4 previous iterations linked in its OP.
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:19 |
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Part of FYAD is that it is heavily curated. I realize that sounds like a joke in the face of the big glaring gap in that curation, but being pruned explicitly for quality by some metric is part of what makes it FYAD. My plan is to add to that metric, not get rid of it. They were always open to new posters but there was a rigorous acceptance process - at times they had newbie threads where you'd get a "sponsor" who would help you raise the standards of what you post until you make it or flame out. I'm sure they will be on board with getting new posters in fyad, it's something that has been discussed in the GBS FYAD thread and a bunch of people say they are going to try it out. It is pretty much the only forum on the internet that operates this way and it's interesting enough that I'd like to see it play out once more. I will encourage a mod or an IK to make a new newbie thread to try and handle the influx of new folks. Encouraging folks to make new threads instead of sticking to big megathreads is certainly part of this. That said I'm not attached to moving over, say, the massive coffee thread - a new thread about coffee would be fine and you can have garret's fail in the OP. Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at Dec 23, 2019 around 19:27 |
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Koalas March posted:I think it's a bad idea int his case to cater to the old posters when in reality we should be making a new sub with new rules and if they want to participate in it they can. Like if we want an edgy type comedy forum that's cool and good but I think we're too worried about making sure the old posters are comfortable when we should be more inclined to open it up to new people because the problem was it was already full of cliques and we've seen what that does. Both then and today I agree with this and think LK's suggestion is good.
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:24 |
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i think keeping the megathreads is an important show to existing posters that this forum is still fyad. my initial reaction to hearing that fyad was going to be rebooted was thinking "why would anyone want to post there" -- lurkers especially. purging everything and creating a new forum in its place in the ashes that has no real connection to what fyad is a great way to create a forum that will have an initial influx of people and no real staying power. there is no connection to fyad history, there is no pride in the forum, and there is no tangible difference between gbs, a forum that already exists. on the other hand, if the megathreads were still around... the gbs fyad refugee thread has been eye opening for me, as it showed to me the difference between fyad and gbs, but showed how many people around the forums really care about what we do and want us to exist. i honestly hope that even half the people wishing us well post in fyad, and i have said so many times in the past. i think a rebooted fyad with the megathreads would be enough to signal to the existing fyad diaspora that their home still exists, but the context surrounding it(and the newly mostly cleared out forum) will show those lurkers and people that have wanted fyad that this is a chance at being in the ground floor of the rebuilt fyad.
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:33 |
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pog boyfriend posted:i think keeping the megathreads is an important show to existing posters that this forum is still fyad. my initial reaction to hearing that fyad was going to be rebooted was thinking "why would anyone want to post there" -- lurkers especially. purging everything and creating a new forum in its place in the ashes that has no real connection to what fyad is a great way to create a forum that will have an initial influx of people and no real staying power. there is no connection to fyad history, there is no pride in the forum, and there is no tangible difference between gbs, a forum that already exists.
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:36 |
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah I think there is something to be said for a touch of the old. It's probably something to do sparingly but I'm hesitant to say none at all. I would personally like it if the new mods would do things to help these new folks find their footing and creating new threads that they can figure out the right way to post in is part of that. Threadnesday should return. as a poster i can honestly say threadnesday was a bit stressful, like i would come on and find out it is threadnesday and have to come up with a thread(something i am very bad at)... i would like to revamp a threadnesday however, to make it a bit less tense. maybe mixing threadnesday with the ik contest ..? post a thread for a chance to win. something like that. food for thought, anyway. you are probably right that we do not need to bring the thread where people post "got the coffees" and "hot one today" 2000 times, but at the least, day crew, night crew, and flags thread should be moved. if i had my wish the japanese horse thread would as well because it made some people really mad how broken the thread was due to being a decade old
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:40 |
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the japanese horse one is actually the one I most want to keep around
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 19:46 |
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Hi pog. Welcome! Regarding these mega-threads. How many are there and how clean are they? I mean as soon as we reopen the forum and leave a few threads there everyone’s going to dig through them and report every slur and say the mods obviously support slurs because we left these threads in open forums. Alternatively would it be possible to start to move a few favorite threads once things have settled down?
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 20:16 |
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Im in favour of the OP quoting
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| # ? Dec 23, 2019 21:15 |
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FluffieDuckie posted:Hi pog. Welcome! these threads have been around for decades, i can not say they are entirely clean. however, a lot of fyad culture stems from these threads. if the goal is to make fyad, having the source of fyad culture which will inevitably be referenced available is better for newbies and veterans alike... and for lurkers who have always wanted to post in fyad, it would be a great signifier. i think “once things have settled down” would be too late. if we reopen a forum that is called fyad but other than the background has none of the things people love about fyad(except me) then it will just be a completely different forum with a new paint job. unlike the other forums, fyad has only a culture. the other forums have a culture and a topic(save for byob), something immediately obvious that signifies to users what will be posted there. for example, i will likely pop into the inevitable owl house thread when that show is made. i know nothing about the board culture there and will not have to... fyad is different, as the only difference it has is that it has a proud attitude and a desire to make people laugh first, as well as having zero recompense for disliked posters. this is what i love the most about fyad, and why i appear hostile to certain posters, people who come in the forum to post things that everyone else does not like or in the case of racists like anchoress, that everyone is uncomfortable with. take that attitude away and fyad is nothing. take it back to the byob example however... if we took the stylesheet of byob and replaced all the posters with ex helldumpers, the forum absolutely would not be byob. we can all see that, right? there were certain parts of fyad that i, and others, found odious(as jeffrey would attest), but i genuinely believe its core is good, something genuinely unique on the internet. it is not an elite exclusive invite only club, nobody vouched for me, people openly flamed me when i joined. i earned peoples respect. there is a problem of image where people for some reason believe this is not the case, and it is something i hope to address, but my goal here is to show the mod staff what fyad is like to an inside perspective... and as an insider, a new forum without these megathreads would be very bad. removed from this context, i personally would not even bother posting in the new forum were that to be the case. since i was chosen to mod this forum, i can only imagine you consider me to be a model of how you want fyad posters to behave. well, if the situation were different, i might have ended up as a league of legends thread poster
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 10:28 |
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Here’s my question: how likely are these thread to be referenced? I’m in the process of rebooting a mega thread right now because even though it has legit useful information in it it’s inaccessible as no one is going to read through it to find that stuff. I just find it hard to believe that someone is going to deep dive on a decade of FYAD posting. Not saying anything against FYAD with that bit it does have a much more chatty and conversational and fast moving style.
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 10:31 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Here’s my question: how likely are these thread to be referenced? I’m in the process of rebooting a mega thread right now because even though it has legit useful information in it it’s inaccessible as no one is going to read through it to find that stuff. it happens often enough in the night crew thread, i have had my posts pulled up(and pulled up the posts of others). we also see it from time to time in the day crew thread, often in reference to arfjasons capri sun ketchup post but waynes 4 food theory gets brought up too. i can not speak for the beer thread as i was not really part of that thread, but from the crew threads alone i can say it does come up. E: and the japanese horse thread is an institution.
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 10:49 |
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I really would like to open FYAD today, on the lord's most hallowed tuesday, but c-spam blew up yesterday and it's extremely christmas right now in my life. Maybe in new fyad things happen....on thursdays?
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 11:09 |
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Boxing Day to symbolize the pugilistic posting attitude fyad is known for
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 11:10 |
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alnilam posted:Boxing Day to symbolize the pugilistic posting attitude fyad is known for 
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 11:14 |
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I really would like to open FYAD today, on the lord's most hallowed tuesday, but c-spam blew up yesterday and it's extremely christmas right now in my life. Maybe in new fyad things happen....on thursdays? the most elaborate threadnesday of all
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 11:17 |
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"fyad only has a culture" yes, that culture was rotten. We're cutting away the rot and making room for new growth. Nature abhors a vacuum, something new and better can spring forth. I really don't understand why keeping the OPs isn't a valid compromise. Like someone said, who is personally going to comb through those threads and check for slurs etc? Because if they're not completely vetted, it's going to come down on us for okaying those threads crossing over to the new forum. And ultimately they'd be right. Furthermore, once again the focus seems to be on preserving some ineffable ideal of what the forum was, while simultaneously handwaving away and incidentally validating what it actually was. Which was bad. Which is why it was closed. And being renamed. The culture was toxic and it won't change if you hold onto it with a vice grip.
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 11:23 |
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I think closing the forum for two weeks, removing the mod, banning a bunch of people, creating a new forumid and introducing new rules sends that message pretty clearly. Nods to the old in the form of a few old threads sticking around is not going to make or break that. The point of the exercise is not to destroy old fyad, but to cut away the rot while preserving what was good.
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 11:29 |
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Is transferring some of the old megathreads, keeping them locked, and then making new versions of them for people to post in under the new rules as suggested by LK an acceptable middle ground? The old crew can still have some reminders of home while we keep the message of THIS IS A NEW FYAD, FOLLOW THE NEW RULES.
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 11:48 |
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:Is transferring some of the old megathreads, keeping them locked, and then making new versions of them for people to post in under the new rules as suggested by LK an acceptable middle ground? The old crew can still have some reminders of home while we keep the message of THIS IS A NEW FYAD, FOLLOW THE NEW RULES. this seems like a compromise for the sake of having a compromise. the new rules are in effect regardless of whether or not we have a new thread made, and the way people bring up old posts is more akin to "hey remember that post you made in 2017 about hunter x hunter(2011)" as a way of making the forum more readable for newbies/lurkers instead of making the same reference but then leaving the reader to figure out what people are talking about on their own.
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 12:05 |
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Lightning Knight posted:I would propose a compromise of letting them remake old threads anew but with the original OP quoted as the OP. It preserves the connection to the original threads while making them more open to newcomers. wow what a gracious concession to allow posters to do something that there is absolutely no reason they wouldn't be allowed regardless
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 17:31 |
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Ugh. Unlike removing cosmetic features I definately see the appeal of fresh start fyad and the potential pitfalls of bringing in old fyad threads that may not abide by the new rules. I also don't want to make what is already going to be a contentious and difficult change moreso, especially for pog and ralp or whoever, who will bear the brunt of it. We don't want to appear to lowtax or the fyad posters to be trying to just kill off fyad by replacing it with a new pink forum with no connection to the old. I think the compromise of bringing over a handful of the most beloved and least problematic threads is probably the best way forward if it will get the current candidate to agree to mod, especially since lowtax would rather like us to get fyad up and running soon.
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| # ? Dec 24, 2019 22:19 |
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fool of sound posted:Ugh. Unlike removing cosmetic features I definately see the appeal of fresh start fyad and the potential pitfalls of bringing in old fyad threads that may not abide by the new rules. I also don't want to make what is already going to be a contentious and difficult change moreso, especially for pog and ralp or whoever, who will bear the brunt of it. We don't want to appear to lowtax or the fyad posters to be trying to just kill off fyad by replacing it with a new pink forum with no connection to the old. I think the compromise of bringing over a handful of the most beloved and least problematic threads is probably the best way forward if it will get the current candidate to agree to mod, especially since lowtax would rather like us to get fyad up and running soon. In that vein I think that we should target Jan 1 as the day to make some of these changes. It's a clean break point and I think shit has gone on long enough that it's sunk in how fucked the earlier behavior was.
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| # ? Dec 25, 2019 09:52 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:In that vein I think that we should target Jan 1 as the day to make some of these changes. It's a clean break point and I think shit has gone on long enough that it's sunk in how fucked the earlier behavior was.
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| # ? Dec 25, 2019 10:25 |
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Ralp posted:or is it going to be designed by committee without a shared goal and subject to so many conflicting parameters that whoever agrees to mod the thing is just being unintentionally set up to expend a ton of time and effort and stress, and then fail. fucking surprise
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| # ? Dec 31, 2019 02:13 |
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Ralp posted:fucking surprise Hi Ralp! I’m sorry for the unpleasantness 
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| # ? Dec 31, 2019 15:58 |
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it's over, rip in piss
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| # ? Jan 6, 2020 16:48 |
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fuck fyad lol, good riddance
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| # ? Jan 6, 2020 17:16 |
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Lightning Knight posted:fuck fyad lol, good riddance 
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| # ? Jan 6, 2020 17:34 |
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hey everyone. just hanging out here haha
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| # ? Jan 6, 2020 17:40 |
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pog boyfriend posted:hey everyone. just hanging out here haha Congratulations on being the Last Mod of FYAD.
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| # ? Jan 6, 2020 18:47 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Congratulations on being the Last Mod of FYAD. is this what this "battle royale" thing i have been hearing about is
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| # ? Jan 6, 2020 19:06 |
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can this be the unofficial mod shitpost corner
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| # ? Jan 8, 2020 15:07 |
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Junpei Hyde posted:can this be the unofficial mod shitpost corner Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at Jan 8, 2020 around 15:57 |
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